Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

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Hey guys Im new, and I wanna first say I am quite impressed with the amount of time some of you more seasoned guys spend helping out us guys just getting started. I love powder coating, sometimes I even lay awake at night trying to list things in my head I have laying around the house that needs to be p-coated.lol

Any who right now Im using the discontinued gun from craftsmen, and a standard oven I got as a freebie from the pennysaver. I get the concepts of getting quality work done ( for example: If you didnt spend 90% of your time preping the part, its probably not good enough. :P) Any pointers or tricks you guys wanna lend me? Also, I wanna do some motorcycle tanks in super durable wet black. Do I need clear over that??? Any help you guys can lend would be appreciated, thanks!

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

Welcome to the forums man.

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do a search on gas tanks, there is a couple of threads in there. You REALLY want to make sure you get the fumes out of the tank If you understand that prep is most of the work, you will be just fine and always remember if you don't like it...blow the powder off and do it again!

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I don't think you can clear SD black...

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

I don't think you can clear SD black...

Welcome.

It was just my understanding that "mirror clear will not bond to this product" any ways that what I read on the PBTP product page. As far as the fumes go, I read theres a trick in killing the fumes by running exhaust through the tank 5-10 min before hand, then a couple washes and a bake should do it. DONT WORRY ILL BE ROLLING THE OVEN TO THE EDGE OF THE GARAGE AND ILL BE SURE TO RUN LIKE HELL AWAY FROM IT AFTER THE TANKS IN.lol

Anybody have experience using the SD clear on the SD wet black???

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FYI I've cleaned a few tanks by using a drop of dish soap with hot water. Then rinse the tank good with hot water, then blow the inside dry. Follow with a slosh of alcohol if you want. The gas smell comes out of the tank a lot easier than off your hands... Go figure

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FYI I've cleaned a few tanks by using a drop of dish soap with hot water. Then rinse the tank good with hot water, then blow the inside dry. Follow with a slosh of alcohol if you want. The gas smell comes out of the tank a lot easier than off your hands... Go figure

Thanks I appreciate that advice, Ill be doing that ON TOP of all the other tricks Ive heard so far. Can never be too careful when it come to NOT blowing yourself up yenno.

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

Hey guys Im new, and I wanna first say I am quite impressed with the amount of time some of you more seasoned guys spend helping out us guys just getting started. I love powder coating, sometimes I even lay awake at night trying to list things in my head I have laying around the house that needs to be p-coated.lol

Any who right now Im using the discontinued gun from craftsmen, and a standard oven I got as a freebie from the pennysaver. I get the concepts of getting quality work done ( for example: If you didnt spend 90% of your time preping the part, its probably not good enough. :P) Any pointers or tricks you guys wanna lend me? Also, I wanna do some motorcycle tanks in super durable wet black. Do I need clear over that??? Any help you guys can lend would be appreciated, thanks!

Welcome to the forum.
The craftsmen gun you are using I guess is the self contained one and all you need is it plugged in? I use one all the time for small parts but not for the bigger ones. The powder does not always flow out well. Try to fluff the powder up well when loading the cup. Also I have seen times when the denser powder want shoot. Just not enough air out of it. You really need to step up to a better hobby one like the EW one if you have air and can get it on sell for say $60 or less? Maybe one of the guys might have one they would sell to you? Then if all goes well go after the PBTP King Gun.
Now if you are wanting to coat items like gas tanks you need to do a work to your oven. Buy you some 1/4" rod from Lowes or home depot. Get enough to at least have two or three rods going across the top of the oven just under the broiler. Drill 3 or 4 sets of over size holes on each side and then you can move them how ever you need to for hanging and you pick up a few more inches of height also. I wish my elect stove was like my gas one in the house. The side racks come out so a guy could drill some more holes and move the whole system up to the top to hang items on.
Just one more thing you might want to do when doing gas tanks is to cover one of your racks with heavy foil and lay it on the bottom element so that the heat does not over cook your powder on the top of the tank with it being upside down. I was over cooking my KL primer quick so that is what I did to correct it.

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Good luck and have FUN with powder

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There is something about the pigments in the SD Wet Black that resists the bonding of clears over it. I still dont know why you would want to put clear over an already gloss finish. After discussing this issue with PBTP, The SD Wet Black is a 1 step finish made specifically for the high KV (100kv) guns and NO clear is recommended on it due to its high pencil hardness. Absolutely nothing can be gained by adding a clear to this powder. It was suggested that some are using clear top coat so it can be buffed. The Sd Wet Black can be buffed the same as the clear so why add the clear. Other SD colors are differant than the Black and will accept a clear coat .

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

There is something about the pigments in the SD Wet Black that resists the bonding of clears over it. I still dont know why you would want to put clear over an already gloss finish. After discussing this issue with PBTP, The SD Wet Black is a 1 step finish made specifically for the high KV (100kv) guns and NO clear is recommended on it due to its high pencil hardness. Absolutely nothing can be gained by adding a clear to this powder. It was suggested that some are using clear top coat so it can be buffed. The Sd Wet Black can be buffed the same as the clear so why add the clear. Other SD colors are differant than the Black and will accept a clear coat .

Just a question for you on clearing for custom painting?

Some people want a powder base and then do the custom painting on that and then uses automotive clear over their graphics. Would using a SD under automotive clear have any benefit or just use a mirror black or mirror color? They don't have that many SD's any way but just thought this sounded like a good question or not

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

There is something about the pigments in the SD Wet Black that resists the bonding of clears over it. I still dont know why you would want to put clear over an already gloss finish. After discussing this issue with PBTP, The SD Wet Black is a 1 step finish made specifically for the high KV (100kv) guns and NO clear is recommended on it due to its high pencil hardness. Absolutely nothing can be gained by adding a clear to this powder. It was suggested that some are using clear top coat so it can be buffed. The Sd Wet Black can be buffed the same as the clear so why add the clear. Other SD colors are differant than the Black and will accept a clear coat .

Just a question for you on clearing for custom painting?

Some people want a powder base and then do the custom painting on that and then uses automotive clear over their graphics. Would using a SD under automotive clear have any benefit or just use a mirror black or mirror color? They don't have that many SD's any way but just thought this sounded like a good question or not

Again, The SD colors were meant to be a one step finish, if you plan on clearing over graphics I would use a differant base intended for clear coating.

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Welcome to the forum! I have shot the acrylic clear over the SD Wet Black because the rim had a polished lip that the customer wanted cleared. There was no problem with it. However the SD Wet Black is such an awesome colour that you do not need a clear!

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

There is something about the pigments in the SD Wet Black that resists the bonding of clears over it. I still dont know why you would want to put clear over an already gloss finish. After discussing this issue with PBTP, The SD Wet Black is a 1 step finish made specifically for the high KV (100kv) guns and NO clear is recommended on it due to its high pencil hardness. Absolutely nothing can be gained by adding a clear to this powder. It was suggested that some are using clear top coat so it can be buffed. The Sd Wet Black can be buffed the same as the clear so why add the clear. Other SD colors are differant than the Black and will accept a clear coat .

No, it makes sense that it would be a one step system. Im sure its pretty durable. I was just thinking of adding the SD clear also. It might be a little overkill, but If I can make something tough as hell to scratch...well then it wont. LOL guess its something Im just going to have to test for myself. Thanks for the input though guys.

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I have heard that coaters are using clears on a lot of these high gloss blacks to hide the scratches more. I'm not sure if this works or not, we have not tested it ourselves...

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Re: Im a newby, but im loving it. I need some help tho.

There is something about the pigments in the SD Wet Black that resists the bonding of clears over it. I still dont know why you would want to put clear over an already gloss finish. After discussing this issue with PBTP, The SD Wet Black is a 1 step finish made specifically for the high KV (100kv) guns and NO clear is recommended on it due to its high pencil hardness. Absolutely nothing can be gained by adding a clear to this powder. It was suggested that some are using clear top coat so it can be buffed. The Sd Wet Black can be buffed the same as the clear so why add the clear. Other SD colors are differant than the Black and will accept a clear coat .

No, it makes sense that it would be a one step system. Im sure its pretty durable. I was just thinking of adding the SD clear also. It might be a little overkill, but If I can make something tough as hell to scratch...well then it wont. LOL guess its something Im just going to have to test for myself. Thanks for the input though guys.

The SD is tough as hell, adding another tough as hell SD over it doesnt make it any tougher.