RUST KILLERS????????????? Long Read!

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Well guys I have bee doing a lot of research on rust removers and rust killers.

What got me back into this are these 5 30's spoke wheels that almost impossible to get to with blasting. Just ain't goina happen. They need dipping to soak into the mounts of the spokes.
I have be using products like this from the late 70's under auto filler and primer and painting especially when blasting was out of the question or just no way to get to it. Never had a problem if done right and using a good product. I tried over the years a bunch of them.

Now you old/young hard core PCers might say no way I am using that sht and then I say just work your "A" off and hope I guess or pay out the nose for what you do use? Not my pocket and not my time but its yours. Also this can help smaller guys with small areas to work in.

Now a lot of these rust killers have an acid part to them and they might work without a problem if retreated correct before coating. Some I know little about. You can neutralize acid.

Here are some that are acid free.
EW rust dissolver/organic rust treatment (mycleaningproducts.com)/rustrelease.com ( you can buy up to 55 gal)
Here are some that have acid and maybe not?
Jasco Prep & Primer does/Duplicolor ?/Loctite?/ Permatex 81849 & 81775 says compatible under body fillers?

Now using a product like this is not to stop blasting your parts even though the powder might do well? If its your part do what you want but for the customer you best do it as right as it can be and maybe this can help with a little insurance? Some of these products might just help keep you blasted part rust free even if none was there or you blasted it all gone. These products could also be good down in tubes that are hard to blast and you can't get the powder into the tube unless you are in the high end shop and got the wand to do it!

I have also heard of bike frames that rust from the inside HARLEY? Well you could drill a small hole put the none acid converter in and slosh it around and then drain it out and let it air dry the best it can and I would say let your oven help on this one and then seal the hole and it should be good longer than the rider would live.

Now as a note to how good some of these could work and all depends on the product. 18 years ago my son had replaced the front clip on his Ford truck. The clip was imported and had a black sealer on it. Well as norm for him he never did any thing to it and then he moved away and then said I will get something I need if you will put my truck in primer. Well the cab was no problem but I DA and DA on the surface rust coming through and gave up and used a rust converter that was copied after one they use in England. I did what it said do and when it was done I put on three coats of lacquer primer. Well he did it again. Didn't do any thing to it. Well its back home now and just a little lite rust trying to come back again. Not dag bad. Just wish he had at least put some dag paint on it and it would have been fine.

Nope I have not used any yet under powder. I know the powder is going to stick to it. That's a no brainier but how well it holds up under powder or affecting powder down the line? I don't really see a problem. Its on my 72 MC that I restored 20 years ago and some of the steel parts on my 72 Vette I did the same year but what I used can't be bought any more and I have the last gal the man made from that time. I keep it for my stuff

I do have some acid free coming in and I am going to test and probably use it on these wheels. I don't want them coming back.

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SEM makes a rust convertor called Rust Mort #69504 I have used it under paint with good results. I wrote the SEM about it to see if I could use it under powder coat they said they wasn't for sure they haven't tried it yet. Have you had any experience with it?


Harley

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Re: RUST KILLERS????????????? Long Read!

SEM makes a rust convertor called Rust Mort #69504 I have used it under paint with good results. I wrote the SEM about it to see if I could use it under powder coat they said they wasn't for sure they haven't tried it yet. Have you had any experience with it?


Harley

More research I guess? I think any of it will work under powder if it the rust product is done correct and maybe the only thing I would say is pre heat the part then follow the instruction on it and then clean a coat?

Thanks for the input.

Hve you got a good link to the maker of it? Need more info than the people that just carry & sell it?

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Rust convertors usually claim they turn the rust back to "good" metal. If it's just metal then it should hold up, right

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Rust convertors usually claim they turn the rust back to "good" metal. If it's just metal then it should hold up, right

I guess that would depend on your interpretation of hold up means? The rust converter by its self want do it. Its has to be sealed after conversion for it to hold up. Also if its a top of the line rust converter then you have to do what the instruction say. When this stuff came out every body starting making their on type of it and that is what has got most people to turn away from it because the product was no good or if it was the instructions were not good or the person got in a hurry and said the hell with it and started painting over it and it came back to haunt them real quick

Some of the crap that is sold is just that. It will turn the rust black but just not be the real black you want but looks good to the eye and you paid the money so its spent and it want be till a long while later that you see it didn't work

The stuff that I have and then no more will do the job a lot of inches of built up rust over a period of time if done as per instruction. And it was made for the rework of ship and sub bodies in England and after they knew it was all the way to good metal then they would start the painting process. It was cheaper than scraping the ships. They didn't have the tough paints we have or had now(damn EPA or CA) but if after all that work and prep if the hull hit something and knocked a chip off it would be back to square one.

But I hope we are not talking about rust 2" to 6" deep or more are we?

Now just what are you asking? Or did you get a correct answer?

I am not 20/30/40/50/60 I am 62 and been doing my on restoration on my own cars from age 14 and when the product works it works and the only problem today is some of our best products have had to be re-worked because of today's standards and is not worth crap but have to live with it or more to a third world country to get good stuff

I am off for the evening so all have a good one.
Duke
Yea I know CP I been off for a while

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Re: RUST KILLERS????????????? Long Read!

SEM makes a rust convertor called Rust Mort #69504 I have used it under paint with good results. I wrote the SEM about it to see if I could use it under powder coat they said they wasn't for sure they haven't tried it yet. Have you had any experience with it?


Harley

More research I guess? I think any of it will work under powder if it the rust product is done correct and maybe the only thing I would say is pre heat the part then follow the instruction on it and then clean a coat?

Thanks for the input.

Hve you got a good link to the maker of it? Need more info than the people that just carry & sell it?

Here ya go Duke.
http://sem.ws/?home=1

Harley

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Re: RUST KILLERS????????????? Long Read!

SEM makes a rust convertor called Rust Mort #69504 I have used it under paint with good results. I wrote the SEM about it to see if I could use it under powder coat they said they wasn't for sure they haven't tried it yet. Have you had any experience with it?


Harley

More research I guess? I think any of it will work under powder if it the rust product is done correct and maybe the only thing I would say is pre heat the part then follow the instruction on it and then clean a coat?

Thanks for the input.

Hve you got a good link to the maker of it? Need more info than the people that just carry & sell it?

Here ya go Duke.
http://sem.ws/?home=1

That product looks kinda like the EW one but it has a 7 day total cure time? Don't think it would work under coating. http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/prod ... ctID=24048 EW works great. I have been using it under the name of Coreless I think was the name before they changed it. I also see its good to 400? I know paint works well over it but not sure what powder would do if it would? You would need to spray it on and let it dry and then coat? I am guessing that the temp part of it would mainly be used to do engine blocks and not for powder?

The rust converts and rust stoppers are thin like water. My best one that I can't get any more you have to spray mist it with water like every 30 min for so long and that helps it soak into the heavy rust and then it just let it dry and brush off and scuff a little and its ready for top coating. On the type rust that we would be mainly into it wouldn't take to long to do.

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I have a product on it way and want to see how it works? But I think I bought to soon for the buck? I bought before I found the evaporust one and I just might order it also. This stuff could also come in real handy when using PBTP's stripper that can cause flash rust quicker than you can handle. Just clean the part and put it on and stop it. Then you could blast for the etching for the powder and where blasting want touch it will cover you on rust come back under your powder latter on in those tough spots.

Here are two that look good and the first one has info on what a guy did with it out of say the normal did use.

http://www.evaporust.com/index.html (Not the rust bandit one but even that might be handy?)

http://www.rustrelease.com/?gclid=CIn5i ... FQodLyvB-w

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I used this in my Vette gas tank 15+ years ago? But looks like they have made some major changes or its better than they though? Look at the temp rateing on it?
http://www.stoprust.net/POR-15-Rust-Pre ... -p-26.html

And I like what this stuff will do also?

http://www.stoprust.net/POR-15-METAL-RE ... -p-35.html